http://www.ukapologetics.net/frankfurt.html
"Socialism and Nazism are not so far apart"
"Socialism and Nazism are not so far apart"
A consideration of the anti-Christian influence of the Frankfurt School, describing the plottings of this Marxist school of thought and how their influence can now clearly be seen in postmodernism and political correctness.
R.P.
You do a lot of research after our discussions ;-)
K.L.M.
A likkle ;) lol
R.F.
That article reeks of Breivikist 'Cultural Marxism' paranoia.
K.L.M.
I've no doubt in my mind, that the far left, as just as fascist as the far right.
Mark Roberts
K.L.M....I am sure you have a point....but, whereas I can point to many people and organisations who espouse far-right principles, can you really point to any regime, or person, on Earth now who you would say had "far left" principles?
K.L.M.
The UAF would be one such organisation in my mind, Mark. As for persons, I've encountered many on facebook.
R.F.
"I've no doubt in my mind, that the far left, as just as fascist as the far right."
You're using 'left' to mean economic left ie. socialism, and 'right' to mean authoritarianism - you're mixing two very different axes (why do people keep doing this?? :S). Under the definitions you just used, Soviet Communists are also far-right, and Fascists are also (slightly) on the left. Of course they have similarities. The main thing that unites them is authoritarianism, but it's possible to be 'far right' or 'far left' without that. Think Free-market 'Libertarians', or Anarchist Communists. Both on the extremes, but neither resembling authoritarian or 'Fascist' (another mixing of terms) regimes at all.
K.L.M.
No, there is fascism on the left.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/88634.Liberal_Fascism
H.A.
No they aren't K.L.M.. The national socialist party in Germany had a lot to answer for hun
A.B.
Since the fall of communism the "socialism similar to nazism" theory has been very popular-countless books written about it. The theory presumes that socialism is stalinism-where of course its not-there have been many democratic socialist movements and govts. People making the socialism=nazism argument are usually liberals-who are conviently forgetting the apalling crimes carried out in the name of liberalism-the slave trade, extermination of the native americans, colonialisation and european empire and of course violent exploitation of the working class at home
K.L.M.
Hi Hex, who aren't what? :-/
I think you should all read Greenberg's book :)
A.P.
How are UAF fascists ?
Alan J B Wyllie
According to one of my facebook "friends", the UAF is fascist because the don't let the EDl have their freedom of speech by protesting at the EDLs proests.
A.P.
Ah freedom of speech, allowing the EDL to say what the like, and allowing everyone else to call them on it. Then they get upset.
K.L.M.
Lol, that's exactly what my friends says too Alan.
K.L.M.
UAF are worse than EDL, I hate both.
A.P.
So your friends basically say they're fascist, because they oppose the EDL, a fascist group. That's your argument for UAF being fascist?
K.L.M.
Left-wing fascism and left fascism are terms used by a few writers to describe tendencies in left-wing politics that contradict or violate the progressive ideals with which the Left is usually associated.
The most prominent early users of the term left-fascism was Jürgen Habermas, a sociologist and philospher influenced by the neo-Marxist Frankfurt School. He used the term in the 1960s to distance the Frankfurt School from the violence and authoritarianism of left-wing terrorists.[1][2] Habermas, whose work emphasizes the importance of rational discourse, democratic institutions and opposition to violence, has made important contributions to conflict theory and is often associated with the radical left.
Sociologist Irving Louis Horowitz argues that left-wing fascism in the United States consists of a rejection of American democracy and a devotion to socialism that is merely an idealized abstraction, combined with an unwillingness to confront the actual history of communism. He argues that it operates through mystified language; attributes faults "everywhere and always in an imperial conspiracy of wealth, power or status"; and uses anti-Semitism as a pseudo-populist tool.[3]
The term has also been used to describe unusual hybrid political alliances in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.[4] Historian Richard Wolin has used the term left fascism in arguing that some European intellectuals' have been infatuated with post-modernist or anti-enlightenment theories, opening up the opportunity for cult-like, irrational, anti-democratic positions that combine characteristics of the Left with those of fascism.[5]Bernard-Henri
Lévy, a philosopher and journalist, calls this political hybrid neo-progressivism, new barbarism or red fascism. Lévy argues that it is anti-liberal, anti-American, anti-empire, anti-Semitic and pro-Islamofascist.
Source - Wiki
K.L.M.
Alexander, that depends on whether the EDL are fascist or not. I do not like what they do, but I (personally) don't believe they are fascist. Infact they oppose a religion which has fascist ideologies.
A.P.
Nice copy pasta.
K.L.M.
Pasta?
K.L.M.
Fusilli kind? ;)
A.P.
They use violence to try and impose their twisted envisonment of Britain. Personally that's as far as I need to bring out the fascist tag. Whilst I'm not aware of anything specific in Islam that has an ideological fascist bent, I wouldn't be surprised if it did. The bible does, but you wouldn't say 'christianity has fascist ideologies'.
K.L.M.
I would say that in the past, Christianity had fascist ideologies, and possibly still does in certain areas.
It's more prevalent now in Islam.
Most definately, Salafi and Wahhabi Islam, is extremely fascist and totalitarian.
As far as I am aware, the EDL are 'supposed' to be against that, and not Muslims or the colour of their skin.
Although, I'm sure that some
EDLers are just racists, pure and simple. The UAF make matters worse when they counter demo EDL - why don't they do it on another day? Or far away from the EDL? They like to inflame more tensions, that's why.
Alan J B Wyllie
"EDLers are just racists, pure and simple. The UAF make matters worse when they counter demo EDL - why don't they do it on another day? Or far away from the EDL? They like to inflame more tensions, that's why."
You answered it in your first sentence. If I knew a racist organisation was planning a march in my area..well "‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ is my motto.
A.P.
Pretty much Alan!
K.L.M.
I think they should be ignored. As simple as that. Lol.
If they were ignored, they'd go away, and then if the UAF didn't counter, there'd be no trouble and the police wouldn't need to get involved. Plus tax payers' money would be better spent on other things. I've seen YouTube footage of both groups and they are both terrible.
K.L.M.
And then there's the MDL!!! Looool
A.P.
Unfortunatly there will always be a far-right organisation/s present. Whether it's the EDL or their succesors. And they will always need oposing, they won't just 'go away' unfortunatly. No Passaran!
K.L.M.
Ye reckon? I respectfully disagree, lol, because opposing them does nada anyway, they still return. Opposing them causes nada but violence, and more taxes. :o(
A.P.
I do so reckon, well you're welcome to disagree, but I would say that the EDL seem to cause violence and an increased tax expenditure all on their own, even when they're not being oppposed.
A.P.
It also seems just a little disastefull to hear them spout their vile rhetoric and not oppose it. Although, y'know, ignoring them like you would a petulent child may just do the trick. So who knows?
K.L.M.
Lol ;) well I have 4 kids Alexander....where do you think I got my 'ignore the racist buggers' idea from?! Hehe :p
R.F.
77 people died in Norway thanks to this kind of schizophrenic paranoia about a left-wing conspiracy. I really find it quite hard to believe that such ignorant extremism has become so mainstream, so quickly.
K.L.M.
schizophrenic paranoia? Excuse me? Lmao
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