Politics UK
Late Night Question:
The law in the UK makes it legal to have an abortion during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy so long as certain criteria are met.
Do you believe that the current time limit that you can have an abortion at is the correct level?
J.F.
Not at all. It is way too leniant.
M.J.N.
I'm anti-abortion so I don't approve either way.
A.H,
What's wrong with abortion? It should be easy to have an abortion, i can't see how its not a beneficial procedure.
A.C.Mc.
I am pro abortion and I am in favour of the current system.
A.J.B.W.
At 24 weeks, the babies heart and brain functions. Does that not mean anything?
A.P.
Its a womans body,she should be able to do as she wishes
A.T.
I am anti-abortion but I believe there should be a choice. However, unless there is a medical problem or something seriously wrong, I dont see why it should be anymore than 8 weeks and certainly no more than 10. 24 weeks is ok if the woman or baby might die, but it's not acceptable for the simple reason that a woman doesnt want a baby.
A.H,
So? Doesn't mean its a sentient being at that point. Besides, it doesn't know and won't feel anything
J.W.
im anto abortion as i think ive stated before and im pro using a condom there are always exceptions lets face on the fact that a high proportion get rid of babies because they are inconvenient so im pro responsible sex. if a woman is not responsible enough to discuss ccontraception she is to imature to do it. This message should be drummed home so that there are only rare instances of unwanted babies.
J.W.
anti abortions**
J.S.E.
My local hospital will not do them after 12-14 wks without good reason...and that is why it is important to have the 24wk rule, some abnormalities do not show until the later scan as my friend found out,she contracted a virus during pregnancy which sadly made her unborn baby blind and with hardly any brain function she was offered an abortion but decided to go full term, sadly the baby died but at least she had the option.
A.J.B.W.
@Alex,
Through different interpretations of accumulating evidence, various scientists have estimated that pain becomes possible anywhere from 18 to 29 weeks into gestation, maybe later.
>http://news.discovery.com/human/fetus-pain-abortion-law.html<
I beg to differ Alex. Many scientist believe that fetus can feel pain from 18 weeks onward.
W.McD.
what I do know about this subject is politics nor religion should be anywhere near it!
J.C.Mc.
Spot on W.McD.
A.J.B.W.
Hallelujah W.McD.!!
Couldn't agree more.
W.McD.
lol Alan
M.J.N.
Why kill an innocent person? If people don't want kids, they should use protection and if they do get pregnant then they should have the baby then it can be adopted by a loving family. This, it won't feel anything and I don't want it attitude is disgraceful. A life is a life.
J.S.E.
I agree.
A.J.B.W.
Rape victims Matthew?
J.B.
I am anti abortion however it should b available but should be more stricter what I find interesting is 2 thirds of women who hfa
D.C.
I'am pro choice, but I believe that if a mother does consider it, she should know all the facts like any finacial support(If the mother feels like she can't afford to look after it) special needs support ect but I think that the 24 weeks is right for the reason J.S.E.gave.
J.B.
Fall* pregnant to rape choose not to abort the pregnancy
M.J.N.
Rape victims should be given the choice, it's not their fault. For people who don't use protection, it is their fault.
A.J.B.W.
M.J.N.,
What right have you got to dictate what a woman does with her body?
just asking like?
A.J.B.W.
fault...Have you used condoms? Not 100% safe. Take antibiotic while on the pill and the pill doesn't work...
D.C.
Matthew, what about the thousands of people who have lived in a care home for all their lives because they haven't been adopted?
M.J.N.
Primarily, I don't think the life of a baby should lie in the mother's hands alone, I think the father should have legal powers. I also think that irresponsible people should just be able to kill their baby because it's an inconvenience.
D.C.
*Or live in care homes
A.H,
And, surely, even if a woman doesn't use protection they should be eligible for abortion? If the child is going to be a financial drain and will not be able to grow up in stable conditions, then why should it have to suffer that as opposed to an abortion procedure?
W.McD.
So if its ok to terminate when its not their fault does that also apply if the condom breaks or as can happen the pill or implant doesnt work?
M.J.N.
There are further methods of protection.
W.McD.
I dont agree with your statement M.J.N."kill their baby" its not a baby its a clump of cells.
M.J.N.
It's a living human in early development.
R.R.
At 24 weeks some babys have a chance of life although very very slim , its not just a clump of cells .
W.McD.
nope
J.W.
J.S.E.i agree there are rare instances where a woman should be given the choice such as yours or if her health will suffer or the child she will give birth too would have no quality of life without suffering nobody would wish that
W.McD.
its a clump of cells
D.C.
Matthew, Are you a vegetarian?
15 August at 23:55 · Like
M.J.N.
My only exceptions for abortion are:
- A risk to the mother
- A lack of life quality of the child
W.McD.
which is why Robb we are talking about prior to 24 weeks
M.J.N.
No Dylan, why do you ask?
W.McD.
>http://discovermagazine.com/2005/dec/fetus-feel-pain<
dont worry no pics.
W.McD.
define life quality Matthew
A.J.B.W.
Is the life of the living nor more important than cells that have the potential for
"I also think that irresponsible people "...With that one statement I will withdraw from this debate before I start shouting profenities.
M.J.N.
A life in which one can live to the potential of others i.e. without disabilities which will prevent them doing basic things and enjoying life.
W.McD.
how do you know how much a child will enjoy life and by what criteria do you define enjoying life?
C.H.
I think abortions should be available and seen as okay, not a taboo. Having an unwanted child can never be the right option for anyone, and for that reason I think abortions should be available always, regardless of how developed the fetus ...
See more
J.W.
A clump of cells it may be for the first couple of weeks, but by week 8 their eyes are visible, by week 9 toes are forming, by week 10 the neck is developing, week 11 the genitals develop and week 12 fingernails start to grow. Not quite that clump of cells you're talking about.
M.J.N.
Medical professionals can generally determine abnormal development in the baby. Too enjoy life is exactly what it say, to do what they enjoy in life.
D.C.
@ M.J.N.As you have said, you are against abortions unless risk to Mother and quality of life, which I understand. But surly eating eggs is like abortion because the babies are killed so we can eat them. They aren't aborted for medical issues or anything else. Doesn't your view on abortions make this wrong?
M.J.N.
I'm not a lover of eggs to be honest Dylan. The reference doesn't really click for me though because it's not really abortion. It's the following of a food chain, it's nature whearas abortion, to me, isn't.
J.S.E.
Can I just say that no woman or girl pops in for an abortion willy-nilly you are counselled before the procedure and it is a huge decision to actually go ahead for most women.
J.W.
thats why you use contraception charli if you have half a brain
W.McD.
J.W.we are all just clumps of cells the more important part is, is it a human being?
C.H.
Lol.
Chicken eggs aren't fertilised. It's not the food chain either. It's just commodification of animals and institutionalised oppression ^_^
J.W.
people who are pro abortion other than the exceptions as outlined rape danger to health or the babiy has no quality of life should be made to see what happens to the clump of cells i bet that will change your mind how brutal those doctors can be during an abortion
W.McD.
M.J.N.if your concerned about quality of life you should go see the quality of life of the thousands of children waiting to be adopted living in the care system.
M.J.N.
W.McD., essentially adults are just clumps of cells too.
M.J.N.
At least they have a life in which they can do things and have to potential to do what they enjoy.
W.McD.
I did just post that M.J.N.:) about us all being clumps of cells.
J.W.
A baby heart beat is visible on an ultrasound from 7 weeks. It has a working heart I would classify that as being human.
W.McD.
have you read the link I posted? about brain development in a foetus?
W.McD.
Matthew, children coming through the care system in general have a lower quality of life due to that fact alone.
W.McD.
Dead bodies kept on life supvort have a beating heart it doesnt make them alive
M.P.
I think it should probably stay as it is but I do wonder why women decide to have such a late abortion. Most women know when they're pregnant and know the answer to whether they want a child. So why wait so long? Is it medical reasons for most? There will always be exceptions of course the people who are totally unaware for whatever reason but they're also likely to be quite vulnerable so an option needs to be kept open for them. I feel the time limit should be if the foetus can't survive outside the mother without significant medical intervention then it's not yet a life. which is at around that 24 week time. most babies that have survived before that age have needed significant medical intervention and continue to do so for the rest of their lives at great emotional, physical and financial cost to themselves and their family, that's not to say that some life is not worth living but would i choose that life for me or a loved one if there was another option? No i wouldn't as i believe that essence of a person would arise elsewhere instead.
S.B-R.F.
Definitely Pro Choice. I think the 24 week level is the correct one.
Some women may not realise they are pregnant for several months, should these women be penalised?
A reduction in the time limit would also reduce choice, and risk pushing women who are agonising over whether to continue their pregnancy into making a decision to terminate it before she has definitely decided that that is what she wants to do. Finally access to abortion services may not be as quick as one may want, thus pushing some one over the 24 week level.
A.J.B.W.
Gonna back up ma missus W.McD.Macdonald..Ive got to otherwise she will batter me
"By three weeks of conceiving, the brain cells begin to form at the tip of the embryo. This tube expands and it matures to form spinal cord.
After that, the tube forms the brain. The brain cells or the neurones get developed in a slow process and the neurones begin to make contacts with each other.
At this stage, the brain cells mature very quickly and nearly 250,000 cells grow in your child's brain a minute.
The growing rate decreases after a certain time when the brain makes itself ready to handle more than 40 systems. The slowdown takes place usually after the 20th week.
The brain development of the foetus is almost complete when your baby reaches the age of 6 months in your womb.
:-)
A baby doesn't have a life support though, their heart is working by itself no machinery involved.
A.J.B.W
.did you read the link I posted?
A.J.B.W.
Yeah mate I did, I posted a very similar but saying that the CAN feel pain by the 18th week in this thread. Both links from Discovery but stating different facts.
My personal belief. The child is alive when (s)he has been born. Until then it is potential. I actually pretty much agree with you Wiliam.
J.W.
sue if they used a condom they wouldnt be in that position thats the pro choice
W.McD.
"very sad W.McD."?
W.McD.
huh?
W.McD.
Yes J.W.it is beating on its own but a beating heart is a beating heart it perforns the same function wether plugged into a machine or not.
W.McD.
J.W.condoms are not perfect they break
the pill isnt 100% guaranteed either.
How about getting an implant and using a condom? The chances of failure then are basically zero.
My friends babies heart beat for 2 whole years after his birth but he had no brain function at all.
:(
That is so sad.
she was offered an abortion but chose (bravely) to go full term...not all women are that brave and fair play to them its a tough call.
abortion should be available only during the period where the child concerned is unable to develop into healthy human life. there is of course the conflict between the rights of the unborn child versus the rights of a human mother but to my mind when a child can be said to be scientifically human and not just a collection of cells then abortion should only be available in circumstances where if to continue to term would be to the detriment of the mother's health.
there is another area where this can get complicated that being where the mother is adamant about having an abortion but the father is not. here it isn't necessarily about raising the child but the fear of going to full term. in those circumstances i don't think an abortion should be available. abortion should be available only to protect the health of the mother not a last minute means of contraception.
HOWEVER: this is something over which there is no moral consensus and so should be left to the individual to decide as much as possible.
A.P.
Well religion stays out of it,how something so irrelevant today can have so much say is beyond me,Catholic church is anti abortion,and also anti contraception,well you cant have it both ways..just dont think men should be telling women what do do..Cameron blaming single parent families for societies ills isnt helpful..maybe they should have just all had abortions and done us all a favour..
G.D-N.
Always depends on the criteria and the circumstances, there is nothing cut and dried which is why legislation is a rubbish way of approaching the topic. It is between the woman, her doctor and the father if he is in the picture, NOT government!
...and what rights do prospective fathers have in the case of terminations? What rights does the baby have about whether it wants to be born into a life that could be full of struggle and unhappiness, I wonder...
No one in my opinion should tell a woman she should go through with an unwanted pregnancy, no matter WHAT the circumstances of the comception. She is the one who has to go through the 9 months of pregnancy; go through the labour and birth and childcare for x number of years and in many cases shoulder the burden alone as a single parent for many reasons. i.e. domestic violence, divorce, widowhood, and yes teenage pregnancy. I work with young people and have known of some of them who have acted responsibly and used contraception and still became pregnant. I have also seen cases of young people being cohersed against their will into going through with the pregnancy and seeing it all fall apart with them not coping and the child/ren being taken into care through lack of support from the statutory service. I think we have all read of cases in the media of terrible child abuse/murder of children by parents unfit to have children. We have also read in the media of the dreadful cases of child abuse of children in care. My body My Choice everytime :)
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