Mark Caudery
"What is this thing? Ostensibly it's the equivalent of a local council, responsible for a small area of London known as the Square Mile. But, as its website boasts, "among local authorities the City of London is unique". You bet it is. There are 25 electoral wards in the Square Mile. In four of them, the 9,000 people who live within its boundaries are permitted to vote. In the remaining 21, the votes are controlled by corporations, mostly banks and other financial companies. The bigger the business, the bigger the vote: a company with 10 workers gets two votes, the biggest employers, 79. It's not the workers who decide how the votes are cast, but the bosses, who "appoint" the voters. Plutocracy, pure and simple."
Does the "Old boys network" that is the Corporation of London, have a place in modern Britain?
..."It happens that the Lord Mayor's Show, in which the Corporation flaunts its ancient wealth and power, takes place on 12 November. If ever there were a pageant that cries out for peaceful protest and dissent, here it is..." Is the Guardian inciting people to protest by any chance?
Do those who control the money, and therefore have the biggest impact on the economy and government borrowing have a right to a say in the running of the country? Yes
Have to say that I agree this doesn't seem fair. I wouldn't mind corporate activity if it wasn't so open to elitism and corruption to be honest.
Sheesh, it's in The Guardian so if I have right-wing views...
It's written by George Monbiot who just happens to be a columnist paid by The Guardian. He's certainly no fan of Labour and IMO, is one of the few decent journalists working in the UK at the moment.
S.O.
They have more than "a say" J.Z.H.
Of course they do, they lend the government the money and control the currency.
They also leach of the tax payer through bailouts because they're "too big to fail".
H.B.
Maybe the church were completely scared of them to begin with? would explain the indecision.....also have politics UK posted the story that the church of England commissioned a repport into the morality of banking which they have then buried?
S.O.
So you support the abuse of democracy then Joel! Way to go.
H.A.
How is Joel supporting the abuse of democracy? I don't get that comment Scott. Care to expand on that? er...carefully? :) lol
Mark Caudery
Having greater political influence by virtue of wealth is undemocratic Hex, it's the very nature of plutocracy.
S.O
H.A.
H.A.
S.O.
Mark Caudery I think J.Z.H. is was just stating the obvious and in doing so, has come across as though he thinks the corruption of democracy by the super rich is acceptable. I don't know if that was his intention.
H.A.
Mark Caudery
H.A.
M.H.
Perhaps this is the logical next step for the occupy movement - to declare themselves a 'corporation' outside the jurisdiction of the state...?
Mark Caudery
S.O.
Everyone on here makes sweeping generalised statements and judgements, applies their morality, political views, objectivity or lack of it.
S.O.
A-ha but M.H., how would they fare when they threatened to pack up and leave for foreign shores? ;)
M.H.
M.H.
S.O.Philip K Dick?
M.H.S.O. - when who threatened? If you mean the corporations leaving... go with them. Occupy Cayman islands! ;)
M.H.
S.O.
Yep, the Cayman Islands have been busy creating new tax havens of late. So, if people don't think the rich rule the World, well they'd have an interesting time trying to explain why Governments seem to have no inclination to tackle such ventures.
J.Z.H.
Mark Caudery
J.Z.H.
Mark Caudery
J.Z.H.
Mark Caudery
What am I assuming?
Mark Caudery
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/31/corporation-london-city-medieval
"What is this thing? Ostensibly it's the equivalent of a local council, responsible for a small area of London known as the Square Mile. But, as its website boasts, "among local authorities the City of London is unique". You bet it is. There are 25 electoral wards in the Square Mile. In four of them, the 9,000 people who live within its boundaries are permitted to vote. In the remaining 21, the votes are controlled by corporations, mostly banks and other financial companies. The bigger the business, the bigger the vote: a company with 10 workers gets two votes, the biggest employers, 79. It's not the workers who decide how the votes are cast, but the bosses, who "appoint" the voters. Plutocracy, pure and simple."
Does the "Old boys network" that is the Corporation of London, have a place in modern Britain?
"What is this thing? Ostensibly it's the equivalent of a local council, responsible for a small area of London known as the Square Mile. But, as its website boasts, "among local authorities the City of London is unique". You bet it is. There are 25 electoral wards in the Square Mile. In four of them, the 9,000 people who live within its boundaries are permitted to vote. In the remaining 21, the votes are controlled by corporations, mostly banks and other financial companies. The bigger the business, the bigger the vote: a company with 10 workers gets two votes, the biggest employers, 79. It's not the workers who decide how the votes are cast, but the bosses, who "appoint" the voters. Plutocracy, pure and simple."
Does the "Old boys network" that is the Corporation of London, have a place in modern Britain?
R.R
Well thats an eye opener , Guessed most of us knew it was about schoolboy private handshakes , but guess if a government came along (not this one) and removed there power , then they would just go somewhere else , Prehaps not a bad thing , Then maybe a new banking system could take there place .
H.A
..."It happens that the Lord Mayor's Show, in which the Corporation flaunts its ancient wealth and power, takes place on 12 November. If ever there were a pageant that cries out for peaceful protest and dissent, here it is..." Is the Guardian inciting people to protest by any chance?
..."It happens that the Lord Mayor's Show, in which the Corporation flaunts its ancient wealth and power, takes place on 12 November. If ever there were a pageant that cries out for peaceful protest and dissent, here it is..." Is the Guardian inciting people to protest by any chance?
J.Z.H.
Do those who control the money, and therefore have the biggest impact on the economy and government borrowing have a right to a say in the running of the country? Yes
Have to say that I agree this doesn't seem fair. I wouldn't mind corporate activity if it wasn't so open to elitism and corruption to be honest.
Do those who control the money, and therefore have the biggest impact on the economy and government borrowing have a right to a say in the running of the country? Yes
Have to say that I agree this doesn't seem fair. I wouldn't mind corporate activity if it wasn't so open to elitism and corruption to be honest.
S.O.
Sheesh, it's in The Guardian so if I have right-wing views...
It's written by George Monbiot who just happens to be a columnist paid by The Guardian. He's certainly no fan of Labour and IMO, is one of the few decent journalists working in the UK at the moment.
S.O.
They have more than "a say" J.Z.H.
Sheesh, it's in The Guardian so if I have right-wing views...
It's written by George Monbiot who just happens to be a columnist paid by The Guardian. He's certainly no fan of Labour and IMO, is one of the few decent journalists working in the UK at the moment.
S.O.
They have more than "a say" J.Z.H.
J.Z.H.
Of course they do, they lend the government the money and control the currency.
Of course they do, they lend the government the money and control the currency.
Mark Caudery
They also leach of the tax payer through bailouts because they're "too big to fail".
H.B.
Maybe the church were completely scared of them to begin with? would explain the indecision.....also have politics UK posted the story that the church of England commissioned a repport into the morality of banking which they have then buried?
S.O.
So you support the abuse of democracy then Joel! Way to go.
H.A.
How is Joel supporting the abuse of democracy? I don't get that comment Scott. Care to expand on that? er...carefully? :) lol
Mark Caudery
Having greater political influence by virtue of wealth is undemocratic Hex, it's the very nature of plutocracy.
They also leach of the tax payer through bailouts because they're "too big to fail".
H.B.
Maybe the church were completely scared of them to begin with? would explain the indecision.....also have politics UK posted the story that the church of England commissioned a repport into the morality of banking which they have then buried?
S.O.
So you support the abuse of democracy then Joel! Way to go.
H.A.
How is Joel supporting the abuse of democracy? I don't get that comment Scott. Care to expand on that? er...carefully? :) lol
Mark Caudery
Having greater political influence by virtue of wealth is undemocratic Hex, it's the very nature of plutocracy.
S.O
Because J.Z.H states he thinks they should have influence. In practice, that 'influence' is at least, partly what you'd call blackmail, and used to dictate policy and avoid the kind of scrutiny others come under. Why did deregulation happen? Where has deregulation taken us? Etc.
H.A.
I see. Well I'm looking at his two comments on here and all I can see is two observational statements. I don't understand how that gets changed into him being biased towards the rich. I don't see his personal opinions on them, just observations really.
H.A.
I mean this statement here for instance... "Do those who control the money, and therefore have the biggest impact on the economy and government borrowing have a right to a say in the running of the country? Yes." Those who control the money OBVIOUSLY are going to have a say in running the country. But he didn't put "I think those who control the money should have the ONLY say in running the country.
S.O.
I didn't say he was biased towards the rich at all. J.Z.H.l's first comment clearly expresses a personal opinion, it's not just observational. He asks a question and answers it.
Mark Caudery
I think J.Z.H. is was just stating the obvious and in doing so, has come across as though he thinks the corruption of democracy by the super rich is acceptable. I don't know if that was his intention.
H.A.
Maybe we should ask him before we make sweeping generalised statements and judgments. I think that can be a big problem on this page, sometimes!
Mark Caudery
Easy mistake to make.
H.A.
Anyway, as I said before, I understand the value of corporations and wealth creators. I'd be a fool not to really. I've been employed by a few lol - but when those corporations start making decisions that come into my living room, hmmmm...
M.H.
Perhaps this is the logical next step for the occupy movement - to declare themselves a 'corporation' outside the jurisdiction of the state...?
Perhaps this is the logical next step for the occupy movement - to declare themselves a 'corporation' outside the jurisdiction of the state...?
Mark Caudery
Might be onto something M.H. play them at their own game.
S.O.
He is being asked - he has the right to reply. By virtue of his words, that's the impression I'm left with. There's no way to have come to the conclusion you have Hex without personally knowing him, which I don't. All I've got are the words to go on.
Everyone on here makes sweeping generalised statements and judgements, applies their morality, political views, objectivity or lack of it.
S.O.
A-ha but M.H., how would they fare when they threatened to pack up and leave for foreign shores? ;)
A-ha but M.H., how would they fare when they threatened to pack up and leave for foreign shores? ;)
M.H.
Mark - that's kinda my thinking. The 'occupy corporation' could then list it demands; extra votes, a parliamentary 'remembrancer' etc. They could also, wonderfully, declare the,selves to be 'freemen' of the planet earth!
M.H.
p.s. Is it just me or does a 'remembrancer belong in a Pratchett novel (or even clive barker possibly)? ;)
S.O.
Philip K Dick?
M.H.
S.O. - when who threatened? If you mean the corporations leaving... go with them. Occupy Cayman islands! ;)
M.H.
I think it's more a fantasy thing than sci-fi...
S.O.
Y'know how the corporations get what they want by making all sorts of noises and veiled threats about operating elsewhere, and taking their money and jobs with them...
Yep, the Cayman Islands have been busy creating new tax havens of late. So, if people don't think the rich rule the World, well they'd have an interesting time trying to explain why Governments seem to have no inclination to tackle such ventures.
J.Z.H.
Actually I didn't say they should have influence, I said they should have a say in the running of the country, just like all of us, and given that they already do have influence, and responsibilities that go with it, I'd say they're in a good position to have the vote.
Mark Caudery
They have way more than just a vote.
J.Z.H.
Of course, we've already noted that. Money is the seat of governmental power and without banks to lend there is no money for the government.
Mark Caudery
Can you stop stating the obvious please :P
J.Z.H.
Could you stop assuming then please? :)
Mark Caudery
What am I assuming?
What am I assuming?
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