The bodies of soldiers killed in Afghanistan will no longer be honoured with a public parade but will be driven through back streets to avoid upset, it has emerged report the Telegraph.
Is this an appropriate course of action by the Ministry for Defence Personnel, Welfare and Veterans?
Is this an appropriate course of action by the Ministry for Defence Personnel, Welfare and Veterans?
The bodies of soldiers killed in Afghanistan will no longer be honoured with a public parade but will be driven through back streets to avoid upset, it has emerged.
G.B.
Disgraceful is an understatement IMHO
Z.C.
that is fucking discusting what is with this fucking country at times in canada and the USA they would never do this
A.F.M.
Horrendous. "The liberals of today view the founding fathers of the United States of America as right-wing extremists" fits in nicely with this absurd, outrageous act. Modern liberalism = failure.
J.B.
What do the people of Wotton Bassett think about this?
Mick Constable
Criminal
Dylan Cain
We should be able to pay tributes to those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice for this country and I find this damn right disgraceful. It's as simple as that...
Robin French
I hate this 'our brave boys' mentality, but if people want to glorify the deaths of soldiers that's their choice really. It means something to people even if it's misguided, so let them have their processions.
T.S.
To be honest I would think it should be for the families to decide, not the MoD or anyone else. Like they said the focus is on the families and it should be their decision.
Nothing to do with Wooton Bassett J.B..
N.H.
This is Oxford City Council's decision.
Who controls this council out of interest?
Alan J B Wyllie
I agree with the decision.
J.W.
Shocking
Alan J B Wyllie
“I am not sure taking coffins in hearses past schools, past families, past married quarters is necessarily the thing that everybody would wish to see … the focus must be on the families of the dead service personnel. They are the people who care most. That is where our focus is.”
I agree with the Tory dude tht said this
Dylan Cain
It's not glorify their deaths Robin, it's showing our sorrow and giving us a chance to thank them. I like Marcs idea of the parade of Downing street and Westminster.
N.H.
RAF Lynham was only a temporary base whilst Bryze Norton was repaired.
God bless all at Royal Wooton Bassett mind.
Alan J B Wyllie
I agree with N.H.
God bless all at Royal Wooton Bassett
N.H.
You know, I don't think I ever left the UK from anywhere but Bryze..
M.K.
Robin I think you've missed the point a bit there. If someone gives their life in the service of their country regardless of whether they agreed with the reason or not, they should be recognized by the people they did it for. It's not about glorifying the death of someone, it's about having respect for someone who had a job to do and saw it through even though the consequences were fatal.
Alan J B Wyllie
Same here bud. Crab Air rules.....
B.D.A.
Isaac, do a bit of research and you'll be surprised how they treat the fallen over there. For instance, the government will pay for a gravestone as long as you agree to have a government inscription like "Died in Operation Whatever" if you would rather have your own personal inscription, then you pay for the gravestone out of your own pocket, if you are poor and don't support the war, tuff, take what's on offer or leave it.
Marie-Helene Gaillard
I am not sure that if I was a distraught parent, I would like to share my anguish with the world and his uncle.
C.H.
Absolutely no reason to parade dead British bodies around when many times more are left to rot in the street in foreign countries in illegal wars with no respect whatsoever. Sorry, they're not my heroes, so leave their bodies where they belong: in private with their families.
Mick Constable
Wooton Basset set a benchmark, its going to be difficult to go back to the old way of doing repatriations, which is basically whats being proposed
J.B. So maybe the families need to be consulted as to their wishes and those decisions respected.
Mick Constable
Marie H, there was a documentary not so long ago on Wotton Basset and all the parents interview said it made them proud that their son/daughter was being recognised for the sacrifice they had made, not one doubted it. It also isnt obligatory
Mick Constable
Charli, simply not your choice, your rationale is totally irrational, incorrect and disrespectful
C.H.
RE: Families' decisions... Sure, if they want to pay for the parades themselves they can do whatever they like. Personally I don't want my tax money going on it.
C.H.
Mick, if I'm contributing toward it through my taxes, I think I do get an opinion. If I have to put up with them closing roads, marching through my town, offending my beliefs, I think I do get a say...
Mick Constable
You certainly do, and one easily ignored in this case. Do students pay tax ????
William Macdonald
everyone pays tax
C.H.
Indeed. Somehow even students don't manage to get away without paying VAT on goods, fuel, congestion charges etc these days. And yes, I happen to pay income tax too. I'm just that much of an elitist jerk.
Mick Constable
Indirect yea, which then includes my grandchildren. In my book a taxpayer is one who pays direct tax, or to simplify, Income Tax
William Macdonald
what difference does it make?
tax is tax it all goes into the exchequer
B.D.A.
Instead of consistently falling into the propaganda trap that glorifies war including the recent "if youdon't support us, the government, then support our troops" the vast majority fell for that as it set people against one another, those who now support the war though support our troops against the people asking the question "why are we at war with ?" the Christmas Truce should be documented more so we can all be educated better to who the true benefactors of wars are, certainly not the common people that's for sure.
A.B.
Sorry Mick, tax is tax no matter how the government takes it.
Mick Constable
Its the context
T.S.
Everyone pays Tax Mick, even the unemployed, just because it's taken out beforehand doesn't make anyone less of a tax payer. If you think about it, no one actually physically pays it, unless self employed etc.
William Macdonald
Although there are plenty 'mitigating' theirs
T.S.
If you want to complain about people who don't pay tax pick on George Osborne!
B.D.A. Aris Amazon sent my Lord of the Rings on Blu ray yesterday, cost before VAT £45 VAT was £8 took the price up to £53 everyone ends up paying tax in pond form or other.
T.S.
Bloody hell B.D.A., they saw you coming!
B.D.A.
Sorry in the cinema on my phone, should read in some form or other ;-)
B.D.A.
Look it up on Amazon Tom
William Macdonald
its probably the trilogy
B.D.A.
Thanks William, it is the trilogy :-P
Robin French
Dylan, Matt: It's not just honoring the dead, we don't have parades about just anyone. As I said I think people should be allowed to have these processions, but the reasons people honour soldiers in particular are often jingoistic and morbid.
Cecilia Fisher
i feel in some instances the loved ones who are left behind now feel beholden to go to wooton basset to sccept their loved ones remains in public ,however it must be an absolutly horrendous time for them and having to travel the length of the country to meet them in the full glare of the cameras in some ways compounds there grief
T.S.
Is that the US import one? If you look again on there theres a new extended version coming out on blu ray!
Cecilia Fisher
and more often these days sad to say the edl are trying to hijack it
M.R.
Surely there would be a reasonable alternative......isnt there a National Memorial in the Midlands somewhere?
Cecilia Fisher
scottish soldiers should be repatraited to scotland i believe
Cecilia Fisher
the journey can only add to their grief
B.D.A.
They are British extended versions Tom released on Monday. Amazon and Play.com post early so we get on day of release ;-)
C.S>
From what I have read and seen over the years, the people of Wootton Bassett have respected these parades and shown compassion at the loss of ma ny families. I'm not sure who they mean when they say they wish to cause no offence or upset to anyone.
Cecilia Fisher
christian i agree they have been nothing but respecrfull .but even the villagers are saying enough is enough what started out as a villages honour to the soldiers has been overtaken
B.D.A. I hope when Scotland gains independence Cecilia the Scottish government only uses its military for defence only and not for fighting idiot wars around the globe.
W.H.
Totally appropriate considering they're fighting an unjust war.
Mark Caudery
For once, something I can agree with N.H. on. Regardless of how unjust their actions, these people paid the ultimate price so respect should be paid for that, though I would like to see similar done for enemy and civilian casualties too.
Mick Constable
MArk, are you suggesting we bury the enemy soldiers aswell. The Taliban do that, they leave them for the vultures
N.H.
There is no "parade" at Royal Wooton Bassett you know.
P.B.
The story makes me uncomfortable, are we trying to hide the human cost or protect the families of the fallen? Royal Wooton Basset and it's people have done a great job on behalf of many of the nation in paying a last public honour and acknowledgment of the loss and sacrifice our troops have suffered.
N.H.
Lots of civilians on here talking about things they are not informed on and thus giving silly opinions based on media headlines..
No change there then for many but still. You're all talking crap about something you know nothing about.
Carry the coffin of a mate you were shot at with and then come talk to me about it..
Marie-Helene Gaillard
Ever lost a child N.H.? Far worse than any mate you were shot at with!
Alan J B Wyllie
I agree with N.H..
Different argument Marie-Helene. Civilains are against the role of UK troops in Afghan. The don't understand what the grounf truth is.
How can you disagree with the operation but support the troops. Its an oxymoron.
Public military repatriation is not exclusive wanted by everybody.
Marie-Helene Gaillard
I am talking about the mothers of the soldiers having to grieve in the glare of cameras Alan.
N.H.
Why do people think I disagree with mocing it back to Bryze???
Alan J B Wyllie
I apologise Marie-Helen.
I thought you were making a comparision.
Sorry
I do agree that the families consideration should come FIRST. Not what the public want but for what the the family want.
Alan J B Wyllie
It should be at Brize N.H.. It might sound "crude" but that is where our assets are.
I also didn't realise that the procession went by married quarters etc. Very distasteful in my opinion.
N.H.
Niether did I
Mick Constable
Marie H, they have a choice, most if not all as I understand it, opt for the drive through, well they must do really, otherwise it wouldnt happen would it !!!!!!.
Me-thinks your caring about other people’s feelings is bordering on sticking your nose into other peoples business where its not wanted
Mark Caudery
I think I understand war pretty well. Don't need to be on the front line to know what it's all about.
I think this quote sums it up pretty well...
"War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other." (GTA IV)
So yeah, people on all sides need to be honoured.
Alan J B Wyllie
But in which way should they be honoured?
Mark are you a padsbrat? I remember somebody posting that they were one..
N.H.
Mark Caudery
"I think I understand war pretty well. Don't need to be on the front line to know what it's all about."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Mark Caudery
That wasn't me Alan no. War is just a subject that has fascinated me for a long time, generally to understand it from the perspective of both sides.
I've long believed remembrance day should be extended to honour lives lost of all people due to war.
Mark Roberts
Alan....who or what is a "padsbrat"?
Alan J B Wyllie
a child of a member of the Armed Forces.
Mick Constable
@ Marie H "Ever lost a child N.H.? Far worse than any mate you were shot at with!”
You are beyond belief presuming you you can ask such personal questions simply as an attempt to prove your utterly worthless point, how dare you.
I wonder how you would feel if N.H. had responded with a YES.
Since when have you been elected as the personal representative of anyone going through pain you may not actually understand yourself, and in which case, you could never comprehend.
Get a life woman and leave others to theirs, they dont need your help no matter how much of a Samaritan you might like to think you are, because you simply are
You are beyond belief presuming you you can ask such personal questions simply as an attempt to prove your utterly worthless point, how dare you.
I wonder how you would feel if N.H. had responded with a YES.
Since when have you been elected as the personal representative of anyone going through pain you may not actually understand yourself, and in which case, you could never comprehend.
Get a life woman and leave others to theirs, they dont need your help no matter how much of a Samaritan you might like to think you are, because you simply are
Mark Caudery
It was a fair point Mick, every life lost is the son or daughter of someone.
Mick Constable
You really are stupid Mark, what are they, test tube creations ??.
That woman’s attempted analogy to simply prove a personal point is unforgiveable, and just shows how much she likes to think she understands other peoples feelings, when in reality she knows little if anything
Mark Caudery
She's just showing Empathy, that isn't difficult for everyone.
Mark Caudery
Re-read... Looks like an opinion with empathy to me. I don't see what you find so offensive about that.
Mick Constable
Enough said, its up to Marie to reply
William Macdonald
Nothing wrong with what Marie said perfectly reasonable response when being told to you dont know about grief.
Sammie Engleby
I find it insulting that our fallen service personnel will no longer get a public parade and be driven through the back streets to avoid upset .These people have died serving their queen and country and have a right to be honoured .Many families of fallen service personnel have found the public parades a source of comfort knowing that the public support our boys and girls .Personally i feel that this could either be a cost cutting exercise or a politically based action .We as a nation are frustrated at our involvement in Afgan and with each parade comes a clear message that we are taking heavy casualities .
Dylan Cain
Alan, I'm the Padbrat. After having a conversation about this with my mum, we both came to the conclusion if the worst did happen to my Dad, we would like the public to be able to pay tributes to him. If people are upset by it, then it's sounds harsh but that's war for you. If people are affected badly by this there should be a helpline or something to give support. It's almost if the Government doesn't want the public to see the human cost of war.
S.E.
Agree with Dylan i am a pads wife and if the worst happened with my husband i would also like the public to pay their respects .We have lost many friends and found comfort with the public parades .The main focus should be on the service personnel who has died and for the family and loved ones he or she leaves behind .
Mick Constable
Lets hope certain people read the posts from you guys, credit to you both
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